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shameless self-promotion: if you’re interested in dating me, or know anyone who might be a good fit, I am currently looking for people to date!

Open to: irl dates in Hong Kong for the next month, irl dates in the Western Hemisphere starting in a month or so, zoom dates, email conversations, google docs, and probably other stuff.

I think people’s impressions of whether they’d be into me based on my tumblr are quite predictive. Maybe relevant info:

  • 26-year-old woman, straight
  • ultimately looking for a long-term monogamous relationship, but kinda open to whatever right now given that my location/life are somewhat in flux
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After a maintenance lull I did whole lot of meditation in the past week – my go-to is Sam Harris’s Waking Up app and the same 3 Tara Brach meditations on Insight Timer that work for me. The former is more cerebral and dissolving-the-illusion-of-the-self-y, the latter is more Mindfulness Classic – pause before you get het up and react to shit, introspect on what you’re trying to get by shooting people with the emotions you’re currently loading into your rifle and figure out if there’s some non-rifle way you can get it. I’ve had a stressful week and ingested a whole lot of the latter.

I read Jessica Fern’s Polysecure last month, which is “attachment theory + polyamory skills”. I commented to some friends that 

this and other books are very macho unfriendly? I think it’s possible to write a book about feelings for people who are allergic to ‘feelings talk’ without dropping a lot of what’s valuable, but this author is not trying.

I have the same feeling about Tara Brach.

This seems like a shame. I would have bounced off hard Tara Brach or Polysecure in my teens when I was more allergic to ‘feelings talk’, but I sure would have benefitted from it! And I think that a lot of what makes ‘feelings talk’ the thing it is isn’t necessary to communicate about feelings – it’s stylistic.

(I really wanted to write this post with examples but am too tired to put myself through Polysecure again to find good ones. I might add on later.)

I’m not saying the stylistic stuff – ‘sacred core of your being’, ‘connecting to your own heart’ – is bad and should be stripped out. I’m saying that currently a lot of emotional regulation wisdom seems to be in a kind of cultural silo that’s hard for many people to get into, because a distaste reaction to the style is common. I hate gendered products but find myself googling ‘yoga for men’ whenever I want to try yoga again because I personally can’t stand the thing instructors do where my stretches are supposed to affirm my existence or spiritually put me in touch with the planet. Again, there is nothing wrong with that style. Rock on, every yoga instructor on youtube. But having to effectively learn to codeswitch if you want to read about how to have better relationships seems suboptimal.

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I was totally just thinking about this same thing earlier today. I think I’m by nature kind of macho in this way, and averse to feelings talk (though these have been getting less true over time).

What I am really into is contrarianism and being an edgelord, and what’s been most successful in getting me into feelings talk is framing it through that lens: basically “I’m so cool and edgy, I’m willing to talk about my feelings and be vulnerable even if it’s socially weird or whatever.”

But I don’t know of many resources on this. (I guess Mark Manson is sorta feelings talk but macho?)

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when I first heard about NVC the idea that no one is responsible for anyone else’s feelings seemed unfair to me–letting off the aggriever at the expense of the aggrieved.

but something I’m realizing now is how it helps the aggrieved too: if someone feels responsible for your feelings then you can’t share your feelings without burdening them. but if you can get to the point where they really don’t feel responsible, then regardless of what the feelings are, sharing them can be a light, joyful experience, both of you simply deriving value from the connection it brings.

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small brain: prioritizing personal relationships over work because they’re more fun

big brain: prioritizing work over personal relationships because it’s more important

galaxy brain: having personal relationships that are as ambitious and world-changing as your work

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A shitty thing about being human and trying to form relationships with other humans is that you have to try to read from their signals how excited they are about interacting with you. And you really can err in both directions, and they’re both bad.

One thing that at least helps is having somewhat well-defined relationships and levels of commitment. If I ignore my sister’s text, well long-term it might add a tiny amount to the erosion or our relationship, but short term her assumption will never be “oh, she doesn’t like me” but “oh, she is busy and flaky and sucks at texting people back, but I’ll try again tomorrow.” Because she’s my sister, it’s not true that I can’t end our relationship, but the threshold is a lot higher; there’s a strong prior that we’re good, so I’d have to be very proactive and explicit if I wanted to cut her off.

Most people are probably biased in one direction or another. I think for most of my life I’ve been too insecure; because I had a negative self-image I was biased toward assuming that people didn’t want to interact with me.

And I think I’ve been getting better at that, which is cool. But disappointingly, getting better at that doesn’t really make the original problem go away.

There is a real problem there, that isn’t just 100% cognitive biases; sometimes people just don’t really like you that much, and you do need to be aware enough to notice that.

But the main problem isn’t of prediction, it’s of coordination. If you’re unsure of how much someone likes you, it makes perfect sense to be more reserved in your interactions, to hold yourself back. And it’s so easy to get into that feedback loop, and so hard to get out

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I wonder when I’ll get over the instinctive reaction whenever I finish a call with a CEO of another company or something of “oh thank god, I think I fooled them into thinking I’m a real adult”

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my contribution to Supreme Court discourse will be to share my most interesting celebrity encounter story, which is that I used to live in a house Antonin Scalia used to live in

we found this out when someone rang our doorbell one day and my mom opened the door to a guy who announced, “hi, I’m Antonin Scalia! I used to live here!”

and then he proceeded to invite us to visit him at the Supreme Court and reserve seats for us to watch a session if we were ever in DC, which we actually took him up on

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a maybe interesting question to ask is, “what’s your biggest constraint?”

three common ones I know of are time, energy, and money. idk what the other big ones are

I think people often have a hard time understanding each other when they’re constrained on different things

also moving from one to another is weird. I switched from “energy” to “time” a couple years ago and it took a long time to actually internalize that time was expensive

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I tend to be intuitively skeptical of people saying negative things about “workaholism,” “perfectionism,” etc. To first order it seems like the best way to accomplish your goals is to work really hard, and you’d expect people to come up with a lot of self-serving reasons that isn’t true.

I do think there’s an adjacent concept that I undervalued for a while which is like, tying too much of your self-worth to your work productivity can make you end up doing kind of bad things, like:

  • cab driver’s fallacy
  • overweighting visible and measurable output
  • fear of branching out and doing things outside your normal scope

just sitting down and thinking for a while doesn’t “feel like work” but often it is Actually Good and you come up with new ideas that make the rest of your time much more effectively spent

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it’s actually sort of convenient how triggered I am by men demanding that I be more assertive, disagree with them more, and other things along those lines

“No, I absolutely will not. Also go fuck yourself”

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I was having fun today with the insight that relationships can be momentumy or mean-reverty (or both, on different timescales), and classifying my relationships as such

mean-reverty:

  • they say something I find hurtful. I act hurt until they notice and start being extra nice to make up for it, at which point I go back to normal
  • they’re uncomfortable with intimacy so whenever we start to get too close they pull away. if I give them space they come back

momentumy:

  • they do something considerate for me. I’m touched and do something considerate back. the virtuous cycle continues
  • they do something I think is bad, ignoring my protests. I’m pissed so I do something I know they think is bad, etc. the vicious cycle continues

I haven’t decided which … is better … idk, mean reversion seems like it will always be a bit disappointing. Otoh, even if you’re in the good phase of a momentumy relationship it’s kinda terrifying because stuff can spiral into a shitshow real quick.

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I wrote a LARP!

I successfully ran it a couple days ago; it definitely still has some flaws but I nonetheless feel pleased enough to want to share it with the world.

Here is a spoiler-free intro (feel free to DM for the rest of the materials)

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when I first started my foray into poly, I thought of it as a radical break from my trad past, but tbh I’ve come to decide the only acceptable style of poly is best characterized as something like “imperial Chinese harem”

none of this non-hierarchical bullshit; everyone should have a ranking of their partners, people should know where they fall on the ranking, and there should be vicious power struggles for the higher ranks

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I think an important fact, that I get wrong way too often, is that other people are never thinking about you nearly as much as you think they are.

other person: I wish someone had done X

me: what does that mean? Well, the only people who could have done it are me and A, and A definitely couldn’t have done it because of B, so they must mean me. But they know I didn’t do X because of Y, so that must mean they think I shouldn’t do Y … so they must think I should do Z instead of Y? But that implies such a low value on my time compared to C’s … oh god, am I really miscalibrated on that?

what they were actually thinking: it sucked for me personally that no one did X, and I’m sad about that

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  1. if someone wanted to really understand you, what would they read, watch, and listen to?
  2. have you ever found a writer who thinks just like you? if so, who?
  3. list your fandoms and one character from each that you identify with.
  4. do you like your name?  is there another name you think would fit you better?
  5. do you think of yourself as a human being or a human doing? do you identify yourself by the things you do?
  6. are you religious/spiritual?
  7. do you care about your ethnicity?
  8. what musical artists have you most felt connected to over your lifetime?
  9. are you an artist?
  10. do you have a creed?
  11. describe your ideal day.
  12. dog person or cat person?
  13. inside or outdoors?
  14. are you a musician?
  15. five most influential books over your lifetime.
  16. if you’d grown up in a different environment, do you think you’d have turned out the same?
  17. would you say your tumblr is a fair representation of the “real you”?
  18. what’s your patronus?
  19. which Harry Potter house would you be in? or are you a muggle?
  20. would you rather be in Middle Earth, Narnia, Hogwarts, or somewhere else?
  21. do you love easily?
  22. list the top five things you spend the most time doing, in order.
  23. how often would you want to see your family every year?
  24. have you ever felt like you had a “mind-meld” with someone?
  25. could you live as a hermit?
  26. how would you describe your gender/sexuality?
  27. do you feel like your outside appearance is a fair representation of the “real you”?
  28. on a scale from 1 to 10, how hard is it for someone to get under your skin?
  29. three songs that you connect with right now.
  30. pick one of your favorite quotes.
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I’ve been hiring and managing people for a year or so now, and it’s been pretty interesting to see what things turn out to be important in employees.

(obviously this is only from my experience; I wouldn’t be sharing it if I didn’t think it had some broader applicability but also my job is pretty weird)

Working more hours is really valuable. I think a reasonable prior is that a person’s output is linear in their number of hours worked. (This sounds like sort of an obvious point, but I think people can miss it because of the strong expectation of a job being something you do 9-5 or whatever; I definitely missed it for a while.) There’s a point at which it gets sublinear, but that’s often pretty far out. (I feel like there can be regions where it’s superlinear as well; if I’m working few enough hours I can get to a point where I have to spend all my time catching up on what happened when I wasn’t working.)

You can pay people more for working more, but the costs of hiring and training are really high, and scale with the number of people. It’s also just sort of better to have one person doing a job rather than two; it allows knowledge to be more concentrated and cuts down on communication and coordination costs.

Another thing that’s valuable: just being in the office. I used to think of “just showing up” as a bad thing and that companies should just care about how much work you get done, not how many hours you’re in the office. But actually, it’s really nice to have people in the office even if they’re not being productive; they can deal with things that come up, answer questions whenever you have them, join in conversations, etc. Being available 24/7 by phone/online is also great.

Willingness to just do whatever needs to be done is another good one. It turns out that a lot of things are annoying, and boring, and someone still has to do them. The difference between “ugh do I have to” and eagerly volunteering for the shittiest jobs is really big.

Being proactive is huge. I think this is the biggest thing I fucked up when I first started working. I was operating under some assumptions like:

  • my manager’s time and the time of the more senior people around me are really valuable
  • I should try not to waste it
  • therefore I:
  • shouldn’t talk unless I have something really worthwhile to say
  • shouldn’t ask questions unless I’ve exhausted all possibilities for answering them on my own
  • shouldn’t ask for more things to do unless I’ve done everything I’ve been given so far
  • etc.

Now I realize that this is the exact opposite of helpful, and actually makes management way more work. A lot of management comes down to stuff like  having accurate models of what people do and don’t know, and what they’re good and bad at, and what they spend their time on. The less active effort I have to expend to build these models, the better. I love it when people:

  • ask lots of questions and talk a lot, especially when they’re saying something dumb. if they say lots of wrong things, it lets me know what they don’t understand, so I can help fill in the gaps. 
  • give lots of updates on what they’re doing without being asked
  • ask for more stuff to work on
  • like my ideal interaction is something like “hey, here are the top 3 things on my stack. here are the stages they’re all at. if there’s something else you think I should do let me know, otherwise I’ll default to working on these”
  • suggest things and take initiative. I used to think stuff like “well, no one’s asked me to help with this project, even though it seems like a good fit for me, so they probably think I would be bad at it.” actually, it’s way more likely that it just didn’t occur to them, because constantly assessing and reassessing every combination of (person, project) is really hard, and they’ll be happy at you pointing things out and making their job easier.
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I used to be the sort of person who never fought with people. I knew that getting into heated arguments with people, that might escalate to fights with yelling, was a thing that people did in movies and stuff, but I couldn’t imagine doing it myself. If I was annoyed at someone I might engage in passive aggression, but if it seemed like it might escalate to a fight I would always choose the side of backing down and being conciliatory. It just felt like getting into an openly acknowledged, common-knowledge fight with someone was devastating and to be avoided at all costs.

Lately I’ve gotten more into fighting and it seems … fine? I mean, I don’t strongly endorse it; it definitely seems better to resolve disagreements with honest but thoughtful communication. But if in the moment I’m too upset to do that, getting into a fight seems like a pretty good alternative to what I was doing before. It makes me feel better, it releases some tension, and it turns out it’s not devastating and you can generally make up and get along fine afterwards.

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When I was younger, I used to say things like “I only want to date guys who are smarter than me,” and people would grimace a bit and murmur something about my self-esteem.

Now that I’m older and have higher self-esteem, I still want to date really smart guys; that part hasn’t gone away. But I do think about it kinda differently; the idea of being an overqualified housewife to a genius mathematician no longer holds much appeal.

Instead, being in a relationship where I’m intellectually respected feels important. But so does dating the smartest guy I possibly can; it’s not the relative values that matter, it’s just the absolute.

Unfortunately, I guess having both of those things requires that I be really smart and impressive. Which already sounds good on its own merits, but it would be nice if all my eggs weren’t quite so in one basket.

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I used to think that there was a thing called “being a good partner” that was mostly like, doing things to make your partner better off.

Now I think something more like–there’s some amount of surplus created by a relationship, and creating surplus is good, but the allocation of that surplus is also important. And finding ways to capture more of the surplus, if you are getting relatively little of it, is an important relationship skill.

@actionsoflove

Can you expand with some examples please? I think this is potentially a really interesting point, but I do not fully understand it. =)

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Say you have a relationship with someone where you play tennis with them every day. Each of you likes tennis and gets 5 utils from playing.

Say they really like going to the zoo, whereas you kinda dislike it. So going to the zoo together gives them 10 utils and gives you -4.

Naively, it seems like you should go to the zoo with them every day. After all, the net benefit is +6 utils. And even if you do this, the relationship is still net positive for you.

But this makes it so that while the relationship is really good for them, it’s barely good for you. Small perturbations in your utility function might make the relationship net negative for you, and then you’ll want to break up, which is bad for the other person and ultimately leaves a lot of surplus on the table.

So I think in this case it’s good to go to the zoo less often, and to think about other ways to transfer the surplus from them to you. Maybe having them bake you cookies costs them 1 util and gets you 1 util–even though it’s zero-sum, it might still be good to do.

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I used to think that there was a thing called “being a good partner” that was mostly like, doing things to make your partner better off.

Now I think something more like–there’s some amount of surplus created by a relationship, and creating surplus is good, but the allocation of that surplus is also important. And finding ways to capture more of the surplus, if you are getting relatively little of it, is an important relationship skill.

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Since reading Worth the Candle I’ve started thinking about my interactions with people in terms of loyalty points on occasion, which … I don’t think is endorsed by the text per se but is kind of cool.

My normal model of social interaction is something like: sometimes I have a spontaneous, genuine desire to be nice to people. I invite them to hang out because I enjoy spending time with them, or I ask them something because I’m really interested to hear what they have to say.

Sometimes I don’t feel this spontaneous desire: maybe someone said something that bothered me and now I’m feeling annoyed at them, or maybe I’m just tired or busy and don’t want to devote a bunch of time and energy to social interaction right now. In these cases, I feel like I should be nice anyway, because if I don’t I’ll be a bad person and feel guilty, and then I feel resentful toward them for forcing this obligation on me.

But if I instead think about this as an opportunity to score some loyalty points, it’s no longer an obligation; it’s more like a fun video game that will pay out in actually valuable real life rewards. I don’t have to be nice to anyone; it’s my choice. But if I am nice, then they’ll probably like me more, and say good things about me to other people, and be there for me when I need help in the future, and if we get to level 20 we can use 50% of each other’s skill levels which is pretty useful.

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I think I experience less romantic jealousy these days than I used to, and I was thinking about why that is.

I remember when I was younger, I would get really upset if, say, the person I was dating liked a selfie posted by some other girl. I would spiral into despair thinking about how he probably thought that other girl was more attractive than me and he’d rather be dating her. And … I don’t think I was being totally irrational? I was recalling one specific instance of this and, you know, I bet he would rather have been dating that girl. I think that she was more his type and they had more in common.

And I think what’s changed is that over time I’ve just gotten better at dating people for whom I’m–if not the optimal person, at least close to some kind of Pareto frontier. And then when this happens I can think, “actually, no, here are the reasons why he’d be better off dating me than her.”

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Lately I’ve been noticing myself getting more extreme along some dimension, in a way that makes it harder to communicate with a lot of people. I would describe it as something like “wanting to see people as they are, and being comfortable with that including irrationality, contradictions, and other bad things.”


Some examples:

I noticed a way in which my thinking was biased against members of an oppressed group, and mentioned it to someone. She got upset, because she saw me as endorsing this by dispassionately mentioning it without disavowing it in some way. I was confused, because I was just reporting some things I noticed about my brain, not trying to endorse or disavow anything, and isn’t social justice supposed to be all about unpacking your biases anyway?

I’ll talk to someone about a book or TV show and they won’t like it because a character does stupid things, or has unhealthy relationships, or acts in self-destructive ways. I am confused that that’s a thing and think the more fucked up the better.

I was shopping with a friend on a warm day and commented that it felt like the weather was too nice to try on sweaters. She replied, “well, I don’t want to try on sweaters … but now is the best time of year to buy them since they’re on sale.” I felt like my joyfully authentic expression of feeling was dismissed. She thought I was saying something dumb and impractical.

I watched the first couple episodes of the Bachelor with a friend who was really confused about my enthusiasm for Hannah B. (I know everyone likes her now after they gave her a good edit later in the season. I liked her from the very beginning.) For the uninformed, in the first few episodes she comes off as neurotic, awkward, petty, jealous, super insecure, and the only actual person on the show.

I was talking to a friend about a story I thought it would be fun to write. I started describing the relationship between two of the characters and she asked “well, do they end up together?” I felt like she was implicitly asking me whether I thought their relationship was good or bad, which seemed like missing the point.

A was mad because B wasn’t doing a thing they were supposed to do. I gave my guesses as to why; they replied “but that’s not okay! B needs to just do the thing!” A was upset that I wasn’t mad at B, suggesting that I didn’t think the thing was serious or important. I was sort of upset that A was mad at B when it just seemed like a fact about the situation and who B is as a person that of course they weren’t going to do it.

Someone I’m dating will tell me something–say, “if you slept with [redacted] I’d like you less.” My instinctive response is probably something like “oh interesting, why do you think that’s the case?” Later I’m telling someone about our relationship and I realize that if I accurately report stuff like this they will just think the person is a dick.

I’ll tell someone about a bad interaction I had with someone. They’ll either: 

  • blame the other person
  • blame me, but not explicitly say it, and it’s kind of awkward
  • try to justify it and come up with reasons it was actually fine

and I get frustrated with all these and find them counterproductive.


I’ve thought about talking to one of my friends about this, but fittingly, I don’t know how to express it in a way that she won’t interpret as me claiming that my way of thinking is better than her way of thinking.

To be clear, I don’t think it is–I think they’re both helpful and probably there are plenty of people who should move in each direction. I think my way of thinking is useful for forming more accurate beliefs about yourself and others. It might also make me happier, or at least have lower intensity and frequency of negative emotions–I think it promotes a state of lowkey contentment.

But there are also obvious failure modes, e.g. spending the rest of my life doing stupid shit while thinking “hm, I notice that I am doing stupid shit, interesting.” Judging is pretty useful, because sometimes you have to decide what action to take, and it’s good to be able to judge which action is best and do that one. Basically, if I ever become one of those people who does nothing but meditate and drop acid, please slap me and remind me of this post.

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As of last week, I’ve lived in the Bay Area for a year. This feels like an intrinsically significant milestone, much more so than recent birthdays or New Years, so I feel motivated to reflect on the past year.

(self-indulgent personal reflections below the cut)

I think I’ve changed a lot this year, more so than in the years before it. That’s not surprising–in part, moving here was a conscious choice, because I felt like I was stagnating as a person and didn’t like who I was crystallizing into. I didn’t quite know how I wanted to change, nor did I feel capable of taking actions to make it happen, but I thought if I threw myself on the mercy of whatever supernatural entities govern San Francisco Bay, that something would come of it, and I was right.

I think I’ve become more agenty in a general way. Describing how I felt about my job a year ago sounds sort of silly to me now; I thought of it as like, part of my role in life or something? It was a thing that I went to for some number of hours a day because that was the normal number of hours a day to work; people gave me tasks; I tried to do the tasks at a pace that seemed reasonable.

The way I think about work now is so different: my “job” is to maximize the expected value of the money that my company makes, and to the extent that I have a defined set of roles I try to do well at it’s purely for instrumental reasons, because companies work best when you give people defined roles. But ultimately, if I waste my time on projects that aren’t valuable I’m not doing a good job. The more productive I am, the better (this seems obvious, but I think before I implicitly thought something like “as long as I’m an average level of productive or something it’s fine.”) If I work more hours, I can do more, and that’s better. If something needs to be done and no one else is doing it, I should just do it, even if it’s not my “job.”

This can definitely be more stressful, and sometimes you need to decide to care less or not take responsibility for something, but I think it’s overall the right way to think about things.

I think I’ve also become more self-aware, partly as a result of trying to be more productive. I started thinking about things like “why am I not doing work right now?” or “why have I made so little progress on this thing?” and realized that most of the time it really seems to come down to “I’m having feelings about something.” I have so many feelings! It’s crazy! They really fuck a lot of shit up.

I’ve become more secure, I think. Partly through becoming aware of and confronting my feelings, partly through failing at things and getting really honest and brutal criticism and realizing that … it’s okay, I can confront the fact that I have flaws and not run away from it because it’s not the worst possible thing and doesn’t mean that I’m fundamentally Bad. I’ve gotten way better at receiving feedback. I think my attachment style has gotten significantly more secure (though still in the anxious bucket), and I’ve gotten more into honesty and openness in romantic relationships.

A lot of things that felt important to my identity a year ago feel less so now. I’m less into femininity, and domesticity, and aesthetics, and being trad. More of my identity is centered around my work. I think I went a little too far with this; I think some recentering of my identity was helpful, but I also think that I genuinely like things to be nice, and beautiful, and I don’t want to destroy my aesthetic sense in the name of utilitarianism. I’ve been working on cultivating that side of myself more again.

I feel more motivated towards EA, but I don’t feel any more altruistic particularly. I think this feeling comes from being more ambitious, and I’ve started to feel like EA is just an inevitable consequence of ambition. If I want to do something with my life, what is there to do? Money is too easy. I could try to become famous or something, but that seems kind of lame. Making the future look the way I want it to really seems like the only worthy goal.

Maybe the most negative change is that I worry I’ve become a worse person to interact with in some ways. I’m more flaky, less likely to respond to messages, and less good at reliably keeping in touch with people. I’m more impatient and easily annoyed by people. I notice others’ flaws more easily. I’m glad about this in some ways–not everyone needs to like me, and I’m glad I went from desperately wanting everyone to want to be friends with me to thinking about who I actually want to be friends with. But I don’t like feeling negatively about others or fixating on their flaws. I think practicing more of an authentic relating-y mindset will be relevant here.

For the past week, I’ve had a strong feeling of things coming full circle. Things are so different from a year ago, and yet the same in some ways. The sun came out, and spring is starting to feel real, and it feels the exact same as last March did, when I moved here from cold and gloomy New York and it felt like anything was possible. I feel different in many ways, but I’ve also had the same job for a year now, lived in the same apartment, hung out with many of the same people. And yet things feel just just as uncertain, and I’m really interested to know what the next year will look like.

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Anonymous asked:

What's the appeal of the type of man who only cares about his wife being pretty and submissive? Is it just less pressure to try to attract such a man, instead of men who care about compatibility/intelligence/ethics etc?
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yeah basically, or more like the idea of trying to attract such a man doesn’t activate weird insecurities, because I don’t feel insecure about qualities I don’t actually care about

unfortunately I think trying to date people who are interested in you for the qualities you value most in yourself is probably the right move on many levels

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(As I understand it) To be liked ‘for’ anything is always, in the end, unsatisfactory; and in the interim, a source of insecurity. All such external characteristics - the body, the heart-mind, the fortuitous circumstances of finding you agree on important things - are transitory, and perhaps more treacherously fleeting than one imagines.

Yes, there is a ‘transactional’ or ‘self-interested’ component in all relating; that is a part of the human condition. Part of this is the use of external characteristics as indicators and filters; part is deciding what boundaries and engagement is actually beneficial in any given situation. This is what I’d call the practicalities.

And yes, there’s also the entire range of zero-sum control strategies, including ones that operate one level higher by arranging circumstances and choreographing interactions to lead the feeling-state of the other person in a carefully controlled direction, etc. Now, the non-zero-sum individual components of ‘game’ are actually very useful (and woefully neglected by lots of people because of where they come from, is my guess). But most people have no idea that taking on the basic framing that ‘game’ advice is presented in causes you to lose the game before you even begun playing. Or that there are other frames than the default (and miserable) one, which don’t involve neurotically juggling plates and knives while standing one-legged atop a house of cards. Becoming aware of the tradeoffs here, and picking a path through them that expresses your own values, is indispensable to your integrity - and also a part of the practicalities. Perhaps it’s the hardest one.

And yes, if you find that being appreciated for something (as distinct from being sought out for it) raises up a storm… great! Mmmmmm, that’s the juice of life, right there. I’ve developed a taste for it now, and grown to love it (uhh, in manageable quantities, to be clear).

But at the end of the day, the movement and opening of the heart towards another is a gift, and a precious one at that. And it can be terrifying - after all, in spite of all our attempts, when this movement is deep and genuine, there is nothing in there to hold on to, nothing we can draw security from, nothing we can control so as to make sure the love (or approval/intimacy/sex/whatever) keeps flowing.

All the lover can do in good faith is create the best conditions for this gift to do what it will, to give it fertile ground and sun and water and care and protection. This is a skill all its own, and much rarer and more precious than the strategising of those who think themselves the Machiavellis of the heart.

“How or why did it happen?”, you ask, perhaps because you want to further know, “How can I make sure she stays? Can I ensure I find another like her again, if I have to?” This kind of control is not given you. How could it be, after all, without reducing her to something over whom you can have affordances? Without reducing her agency? Without crimping the free and joyous expression of the dance of her being - the same dance that drew you to her in the first place?

And to be OK with that, while still skillfully managing the practicalities - that is the razor’s edge on which the heart of the lover walks.

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Questions:

Don’t you like some people better than others? Aren’t there some characteristics that are correlated with that? Doesn’t that mean that to some extent you like people for those characteristics?

Isn’t reducing your agency kind of a key part of relationships? Why is that bad? Is it bad for countries to make treaties with each other?

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the red pill lied to me

I thought that men were only supposed to care about physical attractiveness, having a sweet and submissive personality, and maybe a couple other things like chastity and cooking skill

but it turns out all the men who are interested in dating me only care about “intelligence” and “knowing stuff about trading” and “having good opinions on social justice” and things like that

… I guess there’s probably a selection effect they were missing, isn’t there

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Notes on normality and insanity

Before I started dating my first boyfriend, there were lots of outside-view, externally verifiable, socially sanctioned reasons not to date him. When we met, he was 21 and experienced while I was 17 and had never dated anyone; my friends all thought he was bad; he had anger issues; he had a history of stalking and physically abusing exes. I had inside-view reasons why this was okay (it was only once, and he felt reeeeeally bad about it …) and so I dated him anyway.

The actual relationship worked out much better than you’d expect. We dated for less than two months before he broke up with me, and it was basically just fine. (He said some hurtful things to me on occasion, and cheated on me, but I wouldn’t characterize the relationship as abusive.) 

The bad part wasn’t the relationship. The bad part was, after it was all over, I had no idea why I had done it. March 2014!me couldn’t identify with November 2013!me at all, and I still can’t.

The feeling of meaning in my life comes from caring about my past and future experiences, and continuing to exist, and the shape of my life as a whole. To the extent that I value these things, it’s because I experience some amount of continuity of identity. So the idea of ever having been November 2013!me, or of being her again, is scary! It’s scary in the exact same way as being dead!

So like, I understand that society is wrong about a lot of things. We should be able to improve on it, and we almost have to improve on it if we want to do anything good ever.

What I don’t understand is, without externally verifiable confirmation that the things you’re doing are reasonable, how do you know that you’re not just insane?

I started this post by talking about relationships, but I think this actually applies to pretty much everything in my life. Everything I do, unless it’s something my family and all my friends and a panel of normal people would agree is reasonable, I worry that it’s fundamentally bad in some mind-altering way that makes it impossible for me to see its badness. I do this with guys I like, companies I work at, books I read, charities I donate to, events I attend, ideas I believe–you get it. Which isn’t to say I don’t do weird or socially disapproved-of things–I do, in literally all those categories!–but they are really, deeply, scary.

Having written this, part of me is thinking, “Okay, cool, you’ve identified the problem. Things don’t have some fundamental property of badness–ideas can be wrong, and charities can be ineffective, and relationships can be unhealthy, but that’s okay. Maximizing EV means risking that you’ll make mistakes and those things will happen sometimes. What you need to do is get your current self and November 2013 self in a room to talk. Have them feel their feelings and package them up and send them back and forth. Get them to empathize with each other and truly understand each other, and maybe you can forge an identity that’s strong enough to withstand mistakes and changing your mind about stuff.”

and another part of me is like “… dude that sounds insane

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Because people keep misunderstanding my aesthetics: they’re not equivalent to “everything should be as fancy as possible, all the time.” That is not how you effectively class signal. If you are confused about class signaling, read (the now outdated but still informative) Stuff White People Like and note how many things don’t actually cost a lot of money (or even are cheap compared to similar options, like thrift stores and backpacking through Europe).

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I feel like I get a lot of criticism for doing things that aren’t obviously fun/pleasurable but are considered more high-status by mainstream society or something. Maybe the criticism is fair but maybe these people just differ from me on how much utility they derive from the object level of their life, as opposed to various meta levels?

For most experiences I think I get more enjoyment out of anticipating and reflecting upon them, and using them to signal (even if just to myself) than I do out of the actual experience. 

Of course, you could just have different aesthetics/signaling strategies than me, and that’s reasonable. I think a lot of people I know have a sort of contrarian hyper-utilitarian aesthetic. But I feel like there’s legitimately less room for interesting signaling there. If your aesthetic is “drink five bottles of Soylent a day” that’s basically … all you can do? Where do you go from there? Whereas the signaling hierarchies of being “cultured,” “classy,” etc. always have more levels to reach.

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There are some friends for whom, when I’m with them, we talk a lot about what a good time we’re having. 

The day before we see each other, we’ll text “can’t wait to see you tomorrow!! :D :D <3″ We greet each other with “omg, it’s so good to see you!” We get somewhere and it’s “wow, this cafe is so charming!” “I can’t believe how beautiful the weather is today!” When there’s a lull in the conversation, one of us will end it with “I’m so happy I have you to talk about things like this with.”

When I think about this too hard, it seems kind of weird and fake. If we’re really having a good time, why do we need to keep reassuring ourselves/each other of that?

But actually, I think I do honestly have more fun with friends when we do this.

Interactions tend to get into positive feedback loops; if the person I’m talking to is having a good time, and expressing that, I will be more engaged in the interaction, and have a better time, and feel inspired to express my enjoyment, and so on. Being somewhat artificially effusive at times can actually just get you into the good equilibrium.

I have other friends whose communication style is much more “so, did you have a good evening?” “well, it wasn’t clearly better than the counterfactual thing I would have been doing.” and I appreciate the commitment to truth-seeking but it really just does not work as well for me

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I made a sideblog at @worldoptimization-lifeadvice.

It’s experimental and I may or may not continue to update it, I just thought it might be nice to have somewhere to put more low-effort thoughts about super mundane/non-intellectual topics. It’s framed as life advice to my younger self, sort of (and thus obviously may be counterproductive advice for other people to hear).

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When I was younger I used to think that not having enough friends was pretty much the most embarrassing thing in the world and meant that you were an irredeemable loser.

These days I feel like half the time I have a long conversation with someone we end up talking about how we both wish we had more friends. (And I’m not even the one to bring it up most of the time.)

So like

  1. feeling like the number and quality of your friendships is in part due to circumstance and luck and is in part due to skills you can improve on, rather than feeling like it’s a measure of your inherent worth as a person, is great
  2. the fact that so many post-college young adults have few friends seems like … a problem idk
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tfw you get locked out of your office and try to nonsuspiciously follow the next guy who walks into the building, only to realize

  1. he is Nate Soares and
  2. you need your key card to get off on the correct floor

so you awkwardly ride the elevator all the way to his floor while resisting the urge to reassure him that you are not in fact the agent of a UFAI trying very incompetently to break into MIRI

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Anonymous asked:

Beyond the poly thing how do you find the bay vs. NYC?

I have been really happy in the Bay Area so far! Probably part of it is just the novelty of being somewhere new/experiencing many life changes, but also:

  • several close friends
  • wider circle of acquaintances
  • sun and green things
  • biking to work
  • rationalist parties
  • reading at outdoor cafe tables
  • wine tasting in Napa

etc.

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I don’t know what happiness and life satisfaction are, or if they’re real things, or if they have anything to do with what people answer to survey questions, or which one (if either) actually matters.

I do know when I was dating him I was happy, I think? If you had pinged me at random times and asked how I was feeling, in that moment, I would have usually said “pretty good,” and I have the data to prove it.

I also know that if I started to cross the street without looking and a bus whooshed by me, I felt … nothing.

And last week on a night when I was sobbing so hard I was hyperventilating, I went to take some ibuprofen for my headache and looked at the pills sitting in my hand and felt panic. I had forgotten how scared I used to be of swallowing pills and now all I could think was what if I choke and die right now there’s still so much more I want to do

Maybe when I answer how happy I am, it’s relative to a recent average. Sometimes I wish I could remember better what I normally felt like during some period of my life. It’s a surprisingly hard thing to remember. Maybe I’m answering how happy my model of myself says I should be in that moment, or any one of a million other questions.

Maybe “life satisfaction” is partly a way to get information about my happiness that’s below my conscious awareness. What does happiness mean if it’s not something I’m consciously aware of?

I do know I wouldn’t go back for anything in the world.

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I.

In the Dear Future Husband music video, Meghan Trainor says she won’t cook for him or anything, and then she rejects him because he can’t do that strength thing at the fair! Isn’t she basically saying that she won’t conform to female gender expectations, but she expects to get a man who conforms to male gender expectations?

–my then-12-year-old sister

Based on a cursory examination of her song lyrics, I made a list of things Meghan Trainor is offering:

  • good at songwriting
  • sex
  • all the right junk in all the right places

things she won’t do:

  • bake pies
  • lose weight
  • waste all her time and money trying to look right

things she expects:

  • commitment
  • monogamy
  • dates
  • flowers every anniversary
  • dealing with her craziness
  • apologizing even when she was in the wrong
  • spending more time with her family than yours
  • giving her the left side of the bed
  • opening doors
  • not having a dirty mind
  • buying her a ring
  • treating her like a trophy

And yeah, flip the genders and this would all be received differently. But I don’t know, which reception is right?

II.

It’s a funny thing about the modern world. You hear girls in the toilets of clubs saying, “Yeah, he fucked off and left me. He didn’t love me. He just couldn’t deal with love. He was too fucked up to know how to love me.” Now, how did that happen? What was it about this unlovable century that convinced us we were, despite everything, eminently lovable as a people, as a species? What made us think that anyone who fails to love us is damaged, lacking, malfunctioning in some way? … We are so convinced of the goodness of ourselves, and the goodness of our love, we cannot bear to believe that there might be something more worthy of love than us, more worthy of worship. Greeting cards routinely tell us everybody deserves love. No. Everybody deserves clean water.

–Zadie Smith, White Teeth

I mean, I’m a consequentialist, I don’t really think desert is real. I guess the criteria for whether everyone “deserves” something, or has a “right” to it, are: is everyone having the thing a good goal? and to what extent is getting the thing under people’s control?

So clean water obviously fulfills these. I mean, I don’t think there are many people who could have access to clean water if they’d just get off the couch and stop being lazy but instead drink parasite-infested water out of a sense of entitlement.

Love, though? I don’t know. “Everyone has a romantic partner they’re happy with” would be a great situation but I don’t think it’s an important goal: there’s not much we as a society can do to make that happen, at least not much that’s unambiguously good. And your romantic success is, yeah, something that’s under your control to a large extent.

III.

I hope you don’t think you’re not worthy of love or anything because you totally are 

–unnamed friend

The more I think about this message the more I don’t understand it.

Is it some sort of empirical claim about my attractiveness? Is it a more moral claim–that I deserve love because of my moral worth? (Who would she say isn’t worthy of love?) Or is it not meant as a claim with a truth value but as a recommendation for what attitude I should take, along the lines of “love yourself?”

It’s not crazy to say “you deserve to make a million dollars a year” to someone even if they are not, in fact, making a million dollars a year. Maybe you think they are currently being underpaid due to their failure to negotiate and their employer would happily pay them more. But it’s also not something you would say to just anyone. If you spend enough time thinking about markets it is hard not to develop the prior that the market price is fair.

IV.

I don’t know if I’m worthy of love, or what the fuck that means. I think I’m worthy of existence. I think I’m worthy of clean water. Love gets more airtime in songs and novels, but have you tried clean water? Clean water’s pretty great.

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Anonymous asked:

#problematic characters, say more?

I guess I like roleplaying characters with a … limited circle of concern? Think nationalist or speciesist or just straight up selfish. I find it really satisfying to openly engage in those modes of reasoning because I feel like they’re there in the back of my head all the time and it takes effort to ignore them and think about what the actual right thing is.

I can think of one character I’ve LARPed who was actually morally in the right–it was an Omelas-inspired setting and my character was the one who ran the machinery to convert torture into utopia. Though now that I think about it, the fun part wasn’t doing the right thing, it was roleplaying my callous indifference to (justified imo!) suffering. I guess it’s just fun to be a bad person for a few hours. 

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I hate to wade into this discourse but I feel like lately I’ve seen a lot of conversations along the lines of

man: I’m sorry about what happened to so-and-so, but what I don’t understand is why she didn’t just say no! nonverbal signals are sometimes hard to interpret and just saying no would solve so many problems.

woman (or male ally): it’s because men are usually stronger than women and more likely to lash out in anger, and women live in constant fear of violence from men so saying no is often scary or dangerous.

and like. I don’t doubt that that is an experience many women have had. but I want to state for the record as a woman that out of the times I can recall that I’ve failed to say no to something that I didn’t want or that made me uncomfortable or upset, 0% have been because I was scared of the guy in question reacting with anger or violence and 100% have been due to a thought process like “well it seems really awkward to say no right now … I mean it’s not like a big deal … I don’t want to make things weird …”

which doesn’t mean I’m a bad person or deserve to have bad experiences!! but the remedies it suggests may be somewhat different and I hope we can be realistic about the relative frequencies of these things

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There’s this idea I have, I’m not sure where exactly it comes from, about the way relationships work. It says that everyone has different needs and preferences, and so to be in a relationship you have to figure out what your needs are, and express them to your partner; they do the same, and if you’re both willing to accommodate each other’s needs then congratulations.

I try to live by this, mostly. There have been many times when a boyfriend said or did something that upset me, I responded with the classic “when you do x I feel y,” and he responded with “oh okay, I won’t do x.” But somehow that exchange always left me feeling a bit unsatisfied.

You know what feels great? Telling one of my friends that ugh, my boyfriend did x, and hearing her respond with “seriously? that’s so fucked up!”

I think there are a couple things going on here.

One is that no matter how relationship anarchist you want to be about things, there will always be some things that fall outside the realm of needs and boundaries and preferences and end up in the category of “normal things people are or aren’t supposed to do.” You’re not supposed to nonconsensually beat up your partner, or express discomfort at them having friends outside the relationship, or tell your partner’s mother to go fuck herself upon first meeting her. (I think “don’t sleep with other people” used to be on this list, but no longer is.) No one thinks these are boundaries that need to be expressed. And if you can get your preferences into this list, that’s a huge win. So it makes sense that, even if in my small ineffectual way, I push for my preferences to be codified into local social norms.

Another thing is–negotiating an entire relationship from first principles is exhausting. If you are a naturally mono-inclined person trying to date someone who’s never heard of the concept of monogamy, you will spend half your time trying to legislate edge cases. It makes sense to look for someone who shares your basic intuitions about interpersonal relationships.

I don’t know what I’m trying to say here–certainly not that modifying traditional relationship structures is impossible or even undesirable. Maybe that I think it’s too easy to see the modifications and miss the social technology underpinning them.

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Yesterday I downloaded Track Your Happiness, an app that sends you notifications at random times throughout the day, asking you what you’re doing and how happy you are at that moment. While I’ll be interested to see what the data shows after a while, I’ve already noticed something cool.

I think there’s sort of a positive feedback loop to noticing my happiness level. It goes something like (notice current happiness level) -> (update towards average happiness being closer to that level) -> (life satisfaction updates in the same direction) -> (happiness updates in the same direction because either “wow my life is so great, I’m happy all the time” or “oh god despite all my success and privilege I’m still unhappy what even is the point”).

And since I’m more likely to be unhappy when alone/idle/introspecting about my emotions, and more likely to be happy when in a flow state, I notice my unhappiness more than my happiness. Track Your Happiness corrects for that bias.

So yeah. It’s never occurred to me to wonder whether I’m happy while immersed in a conversation at work, because immersion, and because I don’t actually have a choice about whether or not to have most of these conversations. But today I got a notification and realized that you know, I was really enjoying the experience.

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This post is three weeks old now, so may I ask how it’s going? Would you recommend the app?

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Oh yeah, it’s been fascinating so far. Some notes:

  • My day-to-day happiness is definitely outperforming my predictions. I spend about half my waking time working, and at work I’m generally pretty content. I’m really happy when interacting with people I like. The majority of my unhappy moments so far have been connected with kind of unavoidable minor frustrations; I found some inconsistencies in my data and have to parse it again, the grocery store was out of the thing I really wanted, the train is delayed and the subway station is really hot. 
  • I’ve been generally happy when watching movies/TV/plays, reading, cooking, and doing housework. Not as happy when walking, running errands, or using my computer/phone. (These are all very small n so far.)
  • Interacting with people is really good. I don’t really know how people have their own offices or live alone. Idleness is bad, having too much time for reflection is bad. I’m not sure why my brain is so biased to avoid the exhausted feeling that comes from too much activity/social interaction rather than the negative effects of being too often alone with my own thoughts but I think this is an important and bad bias.
  • I hadn’t realized how much I’d started to rely on this app for emotional support but it hasn’t pinged me since 3 pm yesterday and I don’t know what’s going on, I’m worried it’s broken, hasn’t it considered that maybe I need someone to vent to right now
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Yesterday I downloaded Track Your Happiness, an app that sends you notifications at random times throughout the day, asking you what you’re doing and how happy you are at that moment. While I’ll be interested to see what the data shows after a while, I’ve already noticed something cool.

I think there’s sort of a positive feedback loop to noticing my happiness level. It goes something like (notice current happiness level) -> (update towards average happiness being closer to that level) -> (life satisfaction updates in the same direction) -> (happiness updates in the same direction because either “wow my life is so great, I’m happy all the time” or “oh god despite all my success and privilege I’m still unhappy what even is the point”).

And since I’m more likely to be unhappy when alone/idle/introspecting about my emotions, and more likely to be happy when in a flow state, I notice my unhappiness more than my happiness. Track Your Happiness corrects for that bias.

So yeah. It’s never occurred to me to wonder whether I’m happy while immersed in a conversation at work, because immersion, and because I don’t actually have a choice about whether or not to have most of these conversations. But today I got a notification and realized that you know, I was really enjoying the experience.

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@oliwhail replied to your post: Can I ask about any experiences you’ve had with e.g. gratitude journalling / noticing things to give yourself credit for / taking special note of times when things are less bad?

I’m an intermittent gratitude journaler; I think it’s good for me, but like a gamified app is so much more fun.

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Yesterday I downloaded Track Your Happiness, an app that sends you notifications at random times throughout the day, asking you what you’re doing and how happy you are at that moment. While I’ll be interested to see what the data shows after a while, I’ve already noticed something cool.

I think there’s sort of a positive feedback loop to noticing my happiness level. It goes something like (notice current happiness level) -> (update towards average happiness being closer to that level) -> (life satisfaction updates in the same direction) -> (happiness updates in the same direction because either “wow my life is so great, I’m happy all the time” or “oh god despite all my success and privilege I’m still unhappy what even is the point”).

And since I’m more likely to be unhappy when alone/idle/introspecting about my emotions, and more likely to be happy when in a flow state, I notice my unhappiness more than my happiness. Track Your Happiness corrects for that bias.

So yeah. It’s never occurred to me to wonder whether I’m happy while immersed in a conversation at work, because immersion, and because I don’t actually have a choice about whether or not to have most of these conversations. But today I got a notification and realized that you know, I was really enjoying the experience.

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Anonymous asked:

How do I make my eyes stop watering in public from anxiety? I've tried Zoloft and Wellbutrin, but they don't work.
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I hadn’t heard of eyes watering in particular, but if you have some kind of agoraphobia or social anxiety or something, look into exposure-based therapies.

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My eyes water in public from social anxiety! I don’t have anything to help the eye watering in particular, but helping the anxiety helps the watering, so yeah, exposure therapy.

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I realized recently that at some point I associated “reading books” with “work/productive,” to the point where I will now only read books that I feel like I “should” read, either novels that are generally considered to have literary value or nonfiction books that seem like they will have useful/interesting information. The result of this is that I don’t read that many books, like on the order of 20 a year.

My reading habits in childhood were totally different from this. As a kid, I read constantly and paid no attention to the “value” of the books I was reading. I didn’t watch much TV, just because I preferred reading. 

I was thinking about this when I was reading Cursed Child, realizing

  1. even though it was pretty bad, I still felt very engaged/in a flow state, much more so than when watching pretty much any TV or reading tumblr/twitter/other internet stuff
  2. I felt this way all the time when I was a kid
  3. I should read bad books more often and make this more of a default leisure activity

My first experiment in this was reading Amy Snow, which I picked up in an airport bookstore because it had a picture of a girl in a Victorian dress on the cover.

Good points:

  • set in 19th century England
  • various secrets slowly uncovered throughout the book
  • easy to read and kept me turning pages–I definitely got that flow state I was looking for

Bad points:

  • bad prose
    • this distracted me enough that I had trouble enjoying it until I stopped reading every individual word and just tried to get the gist of every sentence
  • boring, one-dimensional characters
  • annoying projection of 21st century morality onto 19th century setting

I think one problem is that I’ve developed more taste in books since I was young. But it seems like it should be possible to find books that are easy to read and optimized for reading pleasure rather than literary value, but are still good. I feel like a large fraction of the books I read as a kid fell into this category, but I’m not sure what the equivalent books for adults are.

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@princess-stargirl said: Neil Gaiman maybe?Amusingly I think his best written work is actually “The Graveyard Book” which is theoretically for children.

@dataandphilosophy said: You might like Daughter of Smoke and Bone.

@wirehead-wannabe said: Romance novels? Airport thrillers?

Thanks for the suggestions! It’s interesting that only one person actually suggested books intended for adults–maybe I should just read more kids’ and YA books.

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I don’t really feel like I have an intrinsic “taste in art,” so today while at SFMOMA I tried to pay close attention to the art my system 1 liked.

Things I learned:

  • I like things where art is all around you. I saw a Sol LeWitt wall drawing in isolation and was like “eh.” Then I walked into a room where all the walls were Sol LeWitt drawings and I was delighted.
  • I like things that involve weird visual distortions. There was one thing involving strobe lights that made something look like molten metal. Also a poem written on a canvas with weird lines, which made it it physically hard to read the poem (my eyes started hurting) and made the poem look like it was shimmering before your eyes.
  • I like gold leaf. I already knew that I like medieval paintings with gold leaf, and 19th century paintings that have gold leaf because they’re playing off medieval painting styles. Then today
    • System 1: “look! I like that painting!”
    • System 2: “huh, I wonder why. it seems like typical abstract art, some primary colors, some shapes …”
    • “… it’s the gold leaf, isn’t it.”
    • System 2: “… yeah.”
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I realized recently that at some point I associated “reading books” with “work/productive,” to the point where I will now only read books that I feel like I “should” read, either novels that are generally considered to have literary value or nonfiction books that seem like they will have useful/interesting information. The result of this is that I don’t read that many books, like on the order of 20 a year.

My reading habits in childhood were totally different from this. As a kid, I read constantly and paid no attention to the “value” of the books I was reading. I didn’t watch much TV, just because I preferred reading. 

I was thinking about this when I was reading Cursed Child, realizing

  1. even though it was pretty bad, I still felt very engaged/in a flow state, much more so than when watching pretty much any TV or reading tumblr/twitter/other internet stuff
  2. I felt this way all the time when I was a kid
  3. I should read bad books more often and make this more of a default leisure activity

My first experiment in this was reading Amy Snow, which I picked up in an airport bookstore because it had a picture of a girl in a Victorian dress on the cover.

Good points:

  • set in 19th century England
  • various secrets slowly uncovered throughout the book
  • easy to read and kept me turning pages–I definitely got that flow state I was looking for

Bad points:

  • bad prose
    • this distracted me enough that I had trouble enjoying it until I stopped reading every individual word and just tried to get the gist of every sentence
  • boring, one-dimensional characters
  • annoying projection of 21st century morality onto 19th century setting

I think one problem is that I’ve developed more taste in books since I was young. But it seems like it should be possible to find books that are easy to read and optimized for reading pleasure rather than literary value, but are still good. I feel like a large fraction of the books I read as a kid fell into this category, but I’m not sure what the equivalent books for adults are.

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deusvulture

I am somewhat amused that my culture-war dichotomies post has taken off due to people treating it like a personality quiz where you categorize yourself along each axis…

I think it was @worldoptimization who said “Never underestimate the memetic fitness of an opportunity to categorize oneself”. I’m starting to wonder if there’s a carcinisation-like effect there, too.

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Anonymous asked:

what is your biggest character flaw (or skill deficit)

hmm good question

The first thing that comes to mind that I’d like to change about myself is ~social anxiety~ because it makes p much everything harder–school, jobs, having a social life.

In terms of like doing good in the world, my biggest character flaw might be that I’m not altruistic enough. (~Social anxiety~ makes me less effective but not that much less effective.) But I don’t, like, system-1-want to change that, because then I would have to spend more money helping people and less buying nice things for myself. And I’m pretty sure only EAs would agree that this actually counts as a flaw.

(On the character flaw vs skill deficit thing, I want to defend Traditional Conceptions of Virtue or something here but truth is when I stopped thinking of my shyness as a character flaw it actually got a lot better and I got happier so)

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Anonymous asked:

the number of people who feel entitled to comment on your parenting is kind of horrifying. I'd heard that happens to pregnant people but I'm actually in a mild state of shock about how bad it is. you are handling it with extraordinary grace, but what the fuck.
luminousalicorn

It’s okay, @andaisq just taught me to block anons so when I’m sick of it all will be well.

It’s weird, I didn’t really get mean anons before.  Hypothesis is that I don’t usually seem vulnerable but now I’m impregnated and therefore probably hormonal and irrational and really easy to make cry, open season, whee?

nuclearspaceheater

It’s just the Public School Internet Defense Force, who are hired by teachers’ unions, textbook manufacturers, and “smart classroom” companies to harass home-schoolers online.

worldoptimization

I actually get it? Like, I’m not even a parent but whenever I see someone making different parenting choices from the ones I would make I have a visceral reaction of WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE RUINED. Obviously,

1) this is irrational, parenting doesn’t actually matter that much and the children will probably be fine

2) actually expressing that reaction to the person in question is incredibly rude, mean, and unproductive.

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sinesalvatorem

The players created the characters and the sheets. Now the characters were completely terrible, but in fascinating ways, and the humour of the players hovered over (and cursed) all of them.

And @theunitofcaring saw that the characters were complete fucking disasters, but let it pass because it looked like too much fun.


Last night, I started playing a Silmarillion based D&D campaign with the Stanford EA club. There were twelve of us. We ended up narrowing it down to eight of us playing, three abstaining, and Kelsey GMing.

Of the eight people playing, most of us ended up designing ridiculous characters for shits and giggles. Here are a few such characters:

The Halfling bards are literally two Hobbits who stand on top of each other to play a string bass. They play as basically a single character, because all Hobbits look the same. They are purposefully incompetent - and even have the rolls for it. Despite the ability of Halflings to reroll dice, they still managed to get a truly spectacular number of natural 1s. When something went wrong in the party, it was often because these guys were trying to “““help”””. That is, unless it was caused by…

The Half-Orc Rogue, who is a lawful evil genocidal asshole. Who does he want to commit genocide against? Orcs and descendants thereof. Yes, this is exactly as weird as it sounds. In his defense, he has a wisdom of 5 and is trying to roleplay it correctly. He does this brilliantly. His play-style is what you might expect if, every morning, he crushed twelve types of stimulants into a fine powder and snorted it.

Finally, there’s the one character who decided her particular brand of weird was going to be “maximise theological complexity”. You see, according to the rules of this campaign, all the Elves in Middle Earth are Doomed by the gods/Valar because they refused paradise. The High Elves in particular are double-Domed because they pissed on the gods’ doorstep while telling paradise to go fuck itself.

So, what does Ms. Theological Complexity decide to become? She’s The Fëanorian Cleric. She has so successfully gotten herself thrice-damned that @comparativelysuperlative (the current owner of my soul) would be proud. I’m kind of assuming that all her prayers go something like this:

Cleric: “Hey, can you help me out with-”
Her god: “Or I could kill most of your family and torment you for centuries. I like that idea better.”

That’s right: Our Elf is basically a Jew.

Of course, I decided to keep things simple. I’m just The Human Wizard who hates Elves because [reason redacted to spite @nonternary and everyone else actually playing], which may end up fucking things up for the party pretty badly. However, as bad as I might be, at least I’m (somehow) better than the others.


When our characters had all been created, Kelsey showed us where we were on the map of Beleriand. The maps all had a little strip at the top torn out. Apparently, they had all printed with the file name for the map image and Kelsey had ripped off the name because it might distract us.

After the game, someone found a discarded strip with the filename on it. Kelsey had named our map beleriandfuckers.jpg for reasons she doesn’t even remember any more.

I include this final detail as proof that I have the best taste in women. May all the Kelsey-less people of the world seethe with jealousy.

worldoptimization

tag urself, I’m the Fëanorian cleric

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Anonymous asked:

Do you think there is something about rationalism that attracts Jewish people? I have noticed that a lot of rationalists with large blog followings are Jewish.
slatestarscratchpad

@worldoptimization, is this what it feels like not to be darkly hinting enough?

worldoptimization

I tried to formulate a darkly hinting response to this but then remembered I’m really bad at darkly hinting which was why I made that post in the first place

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ilzolende

@worldoptimization is my 300th follower!

I think there’s a convention where you do some kind of prizes, but IDK how that works. People who do know should probably remind me.

Am I supposed to offer to draw worldoptimization’s face from a photo, or what?

worldoptimization

Yay! I will happily give you a photo to draw me from if you decide on that as the prize.

Although I do feel like I cheated a bit to get this, since I’ve followed you in the past for a while. (I am incapable of not reading my entire dash so I unfollow and refollow people to regulate how much time I spend on tumblr.) Your prize system clearly creates an incentive for people to unfollow and refollow you as often as possible.

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Anonymous asked:

"Most people who dress ‘sexy’ do so because they like feeling sexy, and spend no time at all thinking about how their classmates react." Can this really be true? I know my own attitude of only caring about my appearance to the extent that it affects how people view me as atypical, but surely anyone who literally doesn't care *at all* about people's reactions must be as much of an outlier in the other direction? (also can I not use line breaks in this? weird)
theunitofcaring

Yeah, asks are terrible. this website is an embarrassing design nightmare. 

And “classmates”, not “people”, is an important element there. People care a lot about how they’re perceived by their social circle, or (if they’re going to a bar or club) by the people they want to attract, but don’t tend to care much about what the other people in their lecture will think. 

(it’s rare to be completely indifferent to how people will see you, but quite common to get dressed for the day without a single thought of “what will strangers think of this outfit”. Like, I’m sure if you asked people “would you prefer that strangers think you look good in that” they’d have an opinion - but that doesn’t mean they got dressed with even fleeting consideration for looking good to strangers. I guess concern about keeping up with trends is about the opinion of strangers, but even then, not random strangers, strangers who are also well-versed in fashion.)

I am very confident the thought process “I will wear this sexy outfit so my classmates are attracted to me” is unusual (though “I will wear this sexy outfit to catch the attention of specific classmate I have a crush on” is definitely a thing).

worldoptimization

I suspect this is typical mind fallacy? I always care about whether random people think I’m attractive, including people in lecture or people I’ll pass on the street once and never see again, and dress with that in mind. (It’s not a strong preference, and it often gets overridden by “I’m in a hurry”/”I want to be comfortable”/”all my clothes are dirty,” but still.) When I’ve had conversations about this with friends the same seems to be true for them. And I’m pretty confident my friends and I are a lot less appearance-conscious than the average woman. 

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nihilsupernum

for totally unrelated reasons, ghengis khan was my role model for years as a child.

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When I was 11 everyone in my class had to read a biography of someone and then make a presentation about why that person was a hero, and the class voted to determine the winner. So my mom thought it would be really funny to buy me a biography of Genghis Khan and suggest I choose him. 

I was like “… okay he sounds cool, why not.” I made a presentation focusing on his anti-torture and pro-religious-toleration stances, left out all the brutal massacres and stuff, and won.

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Yesterday I tried to drop a class, and the online course enrollment system gave me an error message.

So I went to the course advisor and explained my situation. “Oh, that’s because if you’re a dual-degree student, the system won’t let you drop down to zero classes for either one of your degrees. I remember so-and-so had the same problem last year.”

“But I thought that was allowed.”

“Oh, it’s totally allowed, no rules against it. It’s just a bug in the system. Go to the Student Services Center, they’ll help you.”

So today I went to the Student Services Center and explained what happened. “Oh yeah, that’s just because you’re a dual-degree student; we see this bug all the time. Fill out this form, give it back to us, and we’ll override the system and drop the course for you within five business days.”

I looked down at the form, titled Petition to Change Course Enrollment. The first section asked you to check off a box to specify the type of request. And the first option was “dual-degree student trying to drop down to zero classes for one degree.”

Like … I feel like if you are at the point of printing forms for students to fill out to request that administrators manually override the system every time they encounter this bug, it might be easier to just fix the bug?

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jezi-belle

So I have a genuine curiosity:

What do people in the US outside the South drink with meals at home? Like, growing up every day, what got served as a drink with dinner? Obviously at a restaurant you order soda and stuff, but what was common at home? Do they keep sodas and such at home and serve it consistently, or what?

I know down here it’s sweet tea, and I know that’s foreign to the rest of the country, so I’m curious. Reblog if you can, I’m interested in as many responses as I can get.

mazarinedrake

When I was a kid I had a glass of milk with dinner every night, but these days I usually have soda. I grew up in Oregon. 

mercurialmalcontent

From what little I can remember, tap water or Kool-aid (because Kool-aid is cheap and we were poor). I grew up in Eastern Oregon.

rainbowbarnacle

I grew up near Saint Louis. Usually we had tap water, sometimes coca-cola if we ordered a pizza or something. For barbecues and summery family gatherings and stuff, sometimes we’d make sun tea. (usually two batches, one sweetened and one unsweetened)

littlepinkbeast

Michigan: milk or water, or lemonade in summer.

the-rain-monster

When I was growing up it was milk or Tang on military bases in various parts of the country. Now it’s tap water, sometimes wine or fruit juice.

jumpingjacktrash

minnesota: milk or fruit juice when i was a kid. pop, iced tea (not sweet tea, but earl grey or herbal brewed with a tea bag and then poured over ice), or iced coffee as i got older.

my parents would sometimes have a bottle of beer or a glass of wine instead, and now that i’m middle-aged i do that too. not every meal but when it was something that harmonized, you know? wine with pasta, beer with burgers or steak, lemon shandy with fried chicken, that sort of thing.

even though it’s cold as a republican’s heart half the year here, we almost never have hot drinks with dinner. i don’t know why. i have hot coffee with breakfast, hot tea with a peanut butter sandwich for lunch, but with a sit-down dinner i always want a big glass of something cold. i don’t even like red wine at dinner because it’s served room temperature – gotta be a nice cold white. or sake, i like sake cold during dinner and hot with dessert. no clue why. it’s just what i like. *shrug*

funereal-disease

The idea of drinking with a meal is really weird to me. My family only ever did water. If I want a booze drink, I typically have it before or after dinner, not during. 

I drank pretty much only water growing up. Other beverages were treated like snacks: nice for the taste, but not a thirst-quencher. To this day, water is the only thing that ever quenches my thirst. Any other liquid just makes me thirstier. 

bartlebyshop

My parents insisted we have milk with every meal, even with things it really doesn’t make sense to pair milk with, like steak with red wine based sauce. Adults drank wine at the table, or very rarely beer. We had pop in the fridge but that was only to have with snacks, never with a meal.

marcusseldon

As a little kid I always had milk or juice, occasionally soda. At some point in my early teens I started mostly drinking water with meals, and I’ll have alcohol with my meal on the rare occasions I drink it.

severnayazemlya

I grew up in the South, but nobody in my family likes sweet tea. We almost always drank water at meals, even at restaurants. When we didn’t drink water, we drank seltzer (or tonic water, in my dad’s case), but that was usually because the tap water tasted awful or wasn’t potable, which was not uncommon.

nihilsupernum

russian jewish, grew up in a lot of places but mostly new england and california; usually tap water or sparkling water, occasionally milk if it makes sense with the food, small amounts of wine on friday past age 13. everyone got their own beverage if it’s nonalcoholic.

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New England

when I was a kid I had milk with every meal

at some point in high school I switched to hot tea with breakfast (because I needed it to stay awake in first period), unsweetened iced tea with lunch (what my mom did, my dad had Coke), and red wine and seltzer with dinner (what both my parents did)

I drank soda on occasion when I was a kid but don’t really anymore. I’ve never drunk much water

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Anonymous asked:

In what contexts have you larped?

I’m a college student, so I’ve done a couple of LARPs with my school’s gaming society. I’m not like serious or good at it, I just like excuses to spend a few hours implementing evil schemes while wearing a corset. 

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Anonymous asked:

What are your thoughts on being referred to as ~demisexual~? Why?

Basically I don’t think it’s a great word or a great identity category.

I think having the concepts of gay, straight, and bi are pretty good. (I know some people disagree with me on this.) But like, which gender you’re attracted to is kind of important and has a big effect on your life. And it’s a pretty discrete thing; I think most people are pretty much totally straight, and a lot of those who aren’t are pretty much totally gay.

I don’t think the same is true for ~demisexuality~. I don’t think it’s very important; like, the only time it ever comes up is when my friends and I are talking about our sexualities or comparing our internal experiences of attraction or whatever. 

And I don’t think that demisexual/non-demisexual divide the world into really natural discrete categories. It’s more spectrumy: the definition of demisexuality I usually see is something like “doesn’t feel physically attracted to people they don’t know well/aren’t emotionally close to” and when I hear that I’m just like “… how attracted? how well? how close?” (One time I fantasized about kissing someone after having only two conversations with him and spending a lot of time reading things online that he wrote ten years ago. Does that make me a Fake Demisexual? Who knows?) 

And it just tends to conflate a lot of things like how often you’re attracted to people, whether your attraction is more based on looks or other factors, the role emotional comfort and reciprocation play in your attraction, whether you’re interested in having casual sex, etc.

It’s like calling yourself “brunettesexual” because you’re primarily attracted to people with brown hair. Like, this is clearly not a natural category, and you know creating the word will just lead to identity politics fighting somehow. Also, no one cares.

Also, the actual word sounds like it means what gray-ace actually means, which is just confusing. And apparently someone has decided demisexuality is on the asexual spectrum? which I totally don’t get, like, if your asexual spectrum includes me I think you’re doing something wrong.

But anyway, I’ve recently decided taking a stand against the word is futile and using it does seem to make people go “oh, okay” when we’re having a conversation about this stuff. So feel free to use it to refer to me.

worldoptimization

is there an accepted hand gesture or voice equivalent of ~ as punctuation?

because people keep referring to me as ~demisexual~ and I should probably just give in because I don’t think the word is going away and I can’t really do anything about it but the thought of using it without tildes around it is kind of painful

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I guess being a senior is making me nostalgic or something but lately I’ve been thinking about communities.

I think when I left high school, I was sad about losing my friends. But I didn’t lose my friends, not really. We still Facebook chat and Skype sometimes and hang out when we’re in the same city. What I did lose was the communities I had in high school.

I had two groups of friends, my main friend group and my math friends. Among my main friends there was this sort of conformity, but in a joyful way. We all liked the same music because the friends with the best taste in music would find bands and tell the rest of us about them. We all dressed the same because we borrowed each other’s clothes and went shopping together. In the same way we mostly liked the same movies and books and TV shows and had years and years built up of complicated inside jokes and memories. And when we went to college we all found new friends who changed us in different ways, and now we’re pretty different. There are friends who network obsessively and ones who respond to “what are your plans after college?” with “uh, travel?” There are friends who go to parties and hook up with guys and ones who’ve never touched a drop of alcohol or kissed anyone. And there’s never more than a few of us together at once, now, and it’s not the same.

With my math friends our community was partly based on the math we did together, and some of us don’t even do math anymore, and none of our lives revolve around it like they did in high school, we’re doing physics or programming or econ or pre-med. And it was partly based on the gossip of our small and incestuous world that doesn’t really exist anymore, and partly based on the inside jokes, so many inside jokes. And so that community is gone forever too, only existing in our memories and gchat logs and Google Docs full of the weird RPF we wrote about about each other.

So I’m not sad about losing my friends when I graduate. I know we’ll still talk. What I am sad about is the idea that a community can exist for only a brief, perfect moment in time and then be gone forever. I’m scared because who I am has been shaped so much by the communities I’ve ended up with through random accident. I’m scared because you can travel through time, but only in one direction.

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nihilsupernum

let sexual ethics team = preference for (and argument for the moral necessity of, lol) norms about sexual ethics optimized for solving the problems of that team

my team is “hot people who are bad at saying no”, so i like things like nobody who can’t notice non-verbal signals of discomfort expressing interest in me in a way which expects reciprocation. i wrote a post about that a while ago. it’s intentionally uncharitable and i don’t literally fully endorse it, but it’s a thing 

the general lw team is low-status men who get called creepy and whatever for daring to exist around high-status women while low-status. i think this really solidified after the scott aaronson thing, but it was a thing before too 

this is a team which, of course, has many legitimate problems, which i sympathize with etc 

the fascinating part is that, as far as ive seen, most of the people who care about being on this team a lot are, in fact, lw-affiliated high-status women and enbies, usually neurodivergent ones, who perhaps would have been called neckbeards if they were male but are personally in no danger of being called creeps, not being able to find sexual partners, etc. 

this by itself was pretty interesting, but then i saw a post which seemed to imply that the poster considered themselves a low-status man talking about being on the team of high-status women (like stuff about how being creepy is in fact bad and this does mean that unattractive people can do less things than attractive people and that’s fine)

EVERYTHING IS BACKWARDS

i guess one hypothesis here would be that rationalists don’t personally really encounter problems with sexual ethics norms bc of lw diaspora norms actually working well for the entire lw diaspora (which generally thinks in a specific way, has a certain culture, is high-iq and mildly neurodivergent in a certain way, etc, so it’s plausible), so they assume that the other groups’ problems must be the ones that suck

(note here: i *have* seen self-identified low-status women and high-status men be on their own teams, so it might be just norms that are good at pairing off attractive women with less attractive men who write cool things or something)

another hypothesis is just that rationalists are really into charity and are defending the positions that are the opposite of what one would expect just because they like being charitable so much

idgi/don’t have a hypothesis im particularly sure about but it s u r e  i s  a  t h i n g

worldoptimization

I like this post because it made me go “what team am I?” (nerdy straight mono girls with social anxiety who like delayed gratification in case you were wondering) and then realized 100% of my views on sexual ethics can be explained by my team

I don’t think this is true for other political issues necessarily? But “what social norms surrounding relationships/sex will lead to the best utilitarian outcome” is kind of an impossible question so I just end up supporting the social norms that are best for me personally

(I’m not team low-status men, but I’m closely allied with them because guys like Scott Aaronson are the guys I want to date. And since my strategy for hitting on guys is “listen to Enchanted and Hey Stephen on a loop while hiding in my room avoiding them because if I talk to them I might say something stupid,” if they’re too scared to hit on me it’s kind of a problem. And I don’t mind being hit on by guys I’m not into, I just mumble something awkwardly and then run away)

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spiralingintocontrol

now realizing that my friendship style is based almost entirely on a dislike of hanging out with people i don’t know well because I feel insecure around them

this results in me hanging out always with the people I know best in a group which pretty much always results in me latching on to like one or two people

except I also hang out more with people I perceive to be low status because i don’t feel as insecure => they’re easy to interact with

so… fun facts??

spiralingintocontrol

worldoptimization answered: wait this is exactly me, the best feeling is when I find someone I like who is low-status enough not to make me nervous

are we literally the same person

worldoptimization

probably, has anyone ever seen us in the same room together

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taymonbeal

In other news, I took the train into Cambridge and had lunch with theunitofcaring and worldoptimization, which was the best thing.

Hedonic Enhancement Tip: Have conversations with extremely awesome people about effective altruism, cultural politics, metaethics, Scott Aaronson, computer science pedagogy, what makes nerd communities work, and other Objectively Best Conversation Topics*.

* Objectively Best Conversation Topics may be subjective. Results may vary for persons who are not me.

worldoptimization

today I had a break between interviews and was chatting with another guy who was interviewing with the same company 

 him: oh you go to [school]? Do you know this girl … I think her name starts with K … I don’t actually know her, I just read her Tumblr. 

 me: wow theunitofcaring is Internet famous these days ^_^

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untiltheseashallfreethem

[snip]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately.  Until about three years ago, I never saw the purpose of privacy when interacting with my friends, and I was completely open with them about all the things in my life.  And like you, I had a lot of friends.  And I tended to make friends really intensely and really quickly, because the vulnerability led to building trust.

But then a few things happened that made me reconsider.  One was that something like five people all became romantically fixated on me in the space of a single semester.  Similar things had happened in the past, but never in such great volume.  And I thought to myself, “ok, if this happens with five people in a single semester, I’m probably doing something wrong”, and I started to take a look at what that might be.  Before this I was totally fine with cuddling, casual nudity, etc. with friends.  In one case I got very sleep-deprived and ended up kissing a friend of mine, even though I wasn’t interested in him romantically.  And I figured, that sort of thing was probably a major cause of the problem.  So I started avoiding physical contact with platonic friends, and I started dressing more modestly, and I stopped talking nearly so openly about sex.  Basically I became very reserved about sexual things, and I think that was the first step in increasing my privacy.

Shortly after that I met someone who was extremely private.  He wouldn’t tell me what he did for work; he wouldn’t tell me who his friends were; he would only make vague allusions to his hobbies.  He’s on the very extreme end of privacy, but after hanging out with him a lot, I came to appreciate it.  (Also, over time, I ended up learning a lot more about his life.  But there’s still a lot I don’t know, and I’m fine with that.)  His privacy allowed for a certain mystery, something that always kept me intrigued and seeking to learn more.  And I started wondering if masculine and feminine mysteries played a role in keeping romantic relationships alive.  If the man and woman each have parts of themselves that they don’t share with the other, maybe it’s harder to fall into that “overly comfortable” stage of the where neither partner puts in the work anymore, and they both lose attraction for each other.

Later, I met other private people and learned a lot from them as well: that privacy creates a shared world of intimacy together; that privacy helps keep unrelated parts of one’s life from spilling into each other, and so on.

I also came to realize that when I shared everything, all the time, I was being sort of a burden on my friends.  Like, in college, every time I had any kind of emotional problem, I’d gchat one of my friends to talk.  And this helped me a lot, but it also created a lot of work for my friends.  And as part of becoming a grownup, I realized how much most grownups hide their emotions in order to support others.  So like, when I came to my friend for help, if he was having a shitty day, he might just… not talk about that, since right now he was busy helping me.  And I know friends who maintain firm, calm outer surfaces, and make sure that none of their self-doubt shows through, because they want to be a pillar of support that people can rely on.  A friend of mine says that this actually strengthens him; when he knows other people are relying on him, he has to be his best and strongest self.

And I realized that in all my interactions up until this point, I’d always been the one baring my soul to others, burdening them with my problems.  I was never the one who sat there stoically and listened.  (Actually I doubt this is true.  I’ve always been very willing to listen to other people’s problems.  But I’ve definitely become a more consistently supportive friend as I’ve grown older.)

There’s also a lot of social reasons to keep certain things private.  Suppose I’m part of a big friend group, and person Z in that friend group was once a huge asshole to me.  If I complain about this to other people in the friend group, it will cause social friction, like maybe people will be forced to pick sides between me and Z in the conflict.  So that’s a reason to keep quiet about it.

But I’m not sure where the balance is, between openness and privacy.  For the last while, I think I’ve been erring on the side of excessive privacy, being afraid to burden anyone with my problems.  And this has led to a lot of loneliness, when in fact, I may have been overestimating the burdeniness.  Anyway, in the past couple of weeks, I’ve had some really open conversations with new friends, and as a result, I’ve realized how much I missed that.

So I’m trying to figure out where to draw the line.  Anyway, there’s probably a bunch of different things here.  Being really open about my life experiences, with people who ask me questions about them, is different from gchatting people every time I’m sad and being like “I’m so sad”.  But other than that, I don’t have any good intuitions, and I’m still trying to figure this out.

(Privacy on social media, incidentally, is a whole other story.)

worldoptimization

This was interesting, hope it’s okay if I reblog. The whole lack-of-privacy thing is one of the things I find most odd about Tumblr culture. I like your way of putting it–“privacy creates a shared world of intimacy”–because that’s exactly what I use privacy for. When I think about moments I’ve really bonded with friends, they’re usually times when we shared things we wouldn’t talk about with most people.

If cuddling, casual nudity, talking about sex, talking about intense feelingsy stuff, etc. were all things that I did with casual acquaintances or anyone with an internet connection, I’m not sure how I would distinguish my close friends. Or at least I feel like the specialness of my close friendships would be diminished.

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moteinthedark

If a “friend” is someone I’d feel totally comfortable asking “Hey, wanna hang out?” without a special occasion or agenda, then I have only a handful of local friends.  

Basically, my goal for a community is to have at least 10 local “friend-units” living nearby. (Couples who live together only count for one friend-unit, because in practice hanging out with a couple is usually a package deal.  Sorry, but if you usually make plans to spend time with Alice-and-Bob, then Alice-and-Bob are in practice one friend-unit.)

I have two friend-units in my current location (hopefully upgrading to three soon!) and it feels really fucking lonely. Two is not a good place to be. I have maybe four friend-units in the next closest city, and that still feels like too few.  

I think ten is a good round number. I think with ten solid friend-units, you basically wouldn’t be lonely, even if you lived in a foreign country or a rural area; and I think with fewer than four or so friend-units, you’re basically going to feel like you’re in exile even if you’re living in a major city in your home country.

theunitofcaring

This is fascinating and let me know if it was personal/you didn’t want it reblogged, because -

if that’s what a friend is, I have no local friends. Asking ‘hey, wanna hang out?’ is scary and I’d have to be really really certain that 1) someone likes me and 2) my company is the most valuable use of their time. As a result, I tend not to ask it and so friendships that depend on it existing as an option tend to die. I can think of three or four people who I would feel comfortable doing this with, but none of them live near me.

I don’t feel sad about this at all. I have people who like me and I hang out with them in scheduled contexts where it’s very clear what I need to do in order to make my company the most valuable use of their time. It’d be cool if my friends-who-I-could-ask-to-hang-out lived near me, but actually I’d probably get stressed and overwhelmed and immediately start trying to create scheduled contexts in which we hang out regularly for a fixed amount of time. And once that was established I would take ‘randomly asking them to hang out’ off the table mentally and be much happier for it.

It seems like maybe people are very high variance in terms of how much non-scheduled social interaction they want to feel like is available to them? I would guess that you’re on the high end and I’m sure that I’m on the low end. 

worldoptimization

It was actually quite reassuring to see this and find out someone’s brain does the same thing as mine! I don’t even know how I can simultaneously alieve “it makes me happy when other people ask me to hang out” and “asking someone to hang out is absurdly presumptuous, why would you assume that out of all the infinite things they could be doing on Saturday afternoon spending time with you is somewhere close to the most valuable one.”

Unlike you I wish my brain would stop doing this, because it’s cool to have the option of being friends with people even if you’re not likely to run into them/have scheduled social interaction often enough to maintain a friendship through that alone. Currently my coping mechanisms include:

  • having a party (“hey there will be several people there so the odds are good that at least one will be interesting!”)
  • enticing them with a thing (“well I heard there’s this really good movie that’ll probably win like 10 Oscars so maybe we could sit next to each other while we both watch it”)
  • making sure they don’t lose any time (“you will probably go to the dining hall sometime this week independent of me so what if I just arranged to be there simultaneously”)
worldoptimization

Tagged by funereal-disease :)

Nameworldoptimization

Nicknames: none really (those who share at least 50% of my genes have been known to call me Car or Scoog)

Birthday: November 1

Age: 20

Gender: woman

Sexual Orientation: straight

Significant Other: none

Work/School: junior studying math and CS

Favorite Color: gray

Time and Date: 10:49 am on January 24

Average Hours of Sleep: 8

Last thing I googled: “offer it up”

(this is what my mom tells me when I complain about something and I was wondering if it’s a common expression among non-Catholics but nope, purely a suggestion to offer up your suffering to the souls in purgatory)

Number of blankets I sleep under: two

Favorite Shows: Game of Thrones, Arrested Development, Silicon Valley, Downton Abbey, The West Wing, 30 Rock, Sherlock, Girls

Favorite Food: according to my roommate, “All you eat is scones and Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. And pasta. And chickpeas.”

Favorite Drunk Food: Pirate’s Booty

Favorite Place to Shop for Clothes: H&M

Last Movie I Saw in Theaters: The Imitation Game (with my 11-year-old sister who afterwards commented, “I think the movie would have been a lot better if it had a happy ending”)

Last Book I Read: Permutation City by Greg Egan (really good in case you were wondering)

A Place That Makes Me Happy: my grandparents’ farm, my kitchen at home, upscale malls, the ski trails in Jackson, NH, that fountain outside the Harvard Science Center

What are you doing today? going to see a play in San Francisco, then heading to a charity gala afterwards! my life is so glamorous

tagging nobody (I am less virtuous than theunitofcaring clearly) but consider yourself tagged if you feel like it